During her time as Canada’s unofficial first lady, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau said she never saw her “former partner as a prime minister.”
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“Like snap out of every role you’re in, because if you believe it for half a second you’re doomed, and including celebrity.”
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you → snap → celebrity
Grégoire Trudeau and former prime minister Justin Trudeau have been separated since August 2023 after 18 years of marriage and three children together — Xavier, 18, Ella-Grace, 17, and Hadrien, 12.
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Trudeau → separate → marriage
Trudeau, 54, has been in a heavily publicized romantic relationship with American pop star Katy Perry since the summer of 2025.
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Trudeau → publicize → 2025
Grégoire Trudeau recounted keeping herself and her ex grounded when ordinary people they would encounter in their official capacity started “losing it.”
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they → recount → it
“Right away I’m like, ‘No, no, no, no, no.
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This is not going to happen.
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We belong to each other.
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We’re doing this for each other.
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So, let’s put all the titles and the accolades and the lighting aside and let’s just come back to like we’re walking each other home,’” she explained.
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Those were the only mentions of Trudeau during their nearly hour-long conversation posted on Oct. 10, World Mental Health Day, and focused largely on Grégoire Trudeau’s debut self-help book, Closer Together: Knowing Ourselves, Loving Each Other.
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But she did discuss the realities of political life, which is both an “incredible opportunity” and often quite trying.
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“People still think politics is like glamorous and it’s champagne and I’m like ‘Oh my goodness, if people only knew the sacrifices that you make in your life.
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Your family is almost not yours anymore,” she explained.
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“So to be honest, if people would ask me today, would you tell anybody to go into public service?
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I would say if you don’t have little kids, yes.”
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To keep herself grounded, she said she avoided most articles written about her because “it was already a situation in which the physical and psychological safety” of her loved ones “was at play every single day.
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“I can’t even tell you as a mother what that does to your nervous system, “ she said.
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“So my main work was to keep that calm so that when they came back … they could feed from somebody who was grounded.”
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The podcast was recorded in Montreal, where Grégoire Trudeau returned to live this year in a rented home about four streets from where she spent most of her youth.
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She has mixed feelings about returning to her hometown now, most of it “melancholy.”
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Trudeau, who also grew up in the Quebec city, bought a $4.26 million home in Outremont earlier this year.
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“I’m in a period of life that there’s been a lot of years of sadness and tears because so much shedding, so much letting go, so much deconstructing what I thought my life would be like, and when you’re a separated mother and you coming into an empty home… ” she said, fighting back tears, “I’m still not used to it and I’m not built for that.
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So, I’m learning non-stop.”
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Grégoire Trudeau said she’s not sure what chapter comes next in her life, but she did allude to a potential romantic partner when questioning out loud why she moved back to Montreal.
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“And I’m like, why am I back here? Is he here?
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Is he waiting for me,” she asks, giving the female hosts knowing looks and drawing equally knowing replies.
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she → wait → replies
Earlier in the show, she divulged that her second book — a children’s “emotional literacy” book — will be published in 2027 and will feature illustrations inspired by her childhood growing up in nature with her parents.
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During the rapid-fire question round, she said her go-to karaoke track is the Four Non Blondes’ What’s Going On?, she’d recommend Little Italy for anyone looking to dine out in Montreal and once accidentally ran over a baby mouse on the road that she’d stopped to help.
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