Transcript: Brett McGurk on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," Oct. 4, 2026

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Brett McGurk, a former top Middle East adviser to President Joe Biden, discusses in an interview on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" how efforts to normalize relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia were disrupted by an attack in Israel. The interview covers events leading up to October 6, 2023, when McGurk met with Princess Reema Bandar of Saudi Arabia to finalize a deal aimed at improving ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia while also advancing the cause of Palestinian statehood. However, shortly after these meetings, an attack in Israel derailed those efforts.
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On October 4, 2026, CBS News' *Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan* featured Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, Democratic Senator Mark Kelly from Arizona, former White House national security official Brett McGurk, Republican Iowa gubernatorial nominee Zach Lahn, and CBS News chief legal correspondent Jan Crawford. The show discussed new CBS polling ahead of the midterm elections, focusing on the competitive races in various states like Iowa and Arizona. Senator Kelly emphasized that Democrats are optimistic about capturing the House but face tougher battles in Senate races, noting voter frustration with Washington D.C.'s lack of responsiveness to pressing issues such as rising living costs. McGurk's interview explored the complex dynamics between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, touching on past events like the October 7th Hamas attack and the potential normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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Topics

Israel Israeli Saudi Saudi Arabia the Palestinian Authority

Subjects

Israel GPE · 6× Saudi NORP · 5× BRETT MCGURK: PERSON · 3× Israeli NORP · 3× MARGARET BRENNAN PERSON · 3× Saudi Arabia GPE · 3× Biden PERSON · 2× Brett McGurk PERSON · 2× Margaret PERSON · 2× the Palestinian Authority ORG · 2×

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I mean, it was February 2024, the administration sent out to the very key state of Michigan, where there's a very large Arab-American and Jewish population, the Deputy National Security Advisor Jon Finer, who told members of the Arab community he was aware of missteps, including "a very damaging impression based on what has been a wholly inadequate public accounting for how much the president, the administration, and the country values the lives of Palestinians
framing: assertive · carried by 1 article(s) · first seen 2026-10-04
🔮 And we had mapped out- I still can't say if not for what happened a few hours later, we definitely would have gotten the deal.

Claims (731 extracted, 39 hedged)

The following is the full transcript of the interview with Brett McGurk, who served as a top Middle East adviser to former Preident Joe Biden, a portion of which aired on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" on Oct. 4, 2026. asserted
portion → follow → Oct.
So, October 6th, 2023, Saudi Princess Reema Bandar shakes hands with you on a deal meant to normalize relations, or start normalizing relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, create a pathway for the Palestinians, give Saudi the civilian nuclear deal, and within hours this incredible attack happens in Israel. asserted
attack → shake → Israel
Why, in the book, do you argue that those two things are connected? asserted
things → argue → book
And I try to just tell this history. asserted
I → try → history
It's chronological, but I really try to bring the reader into the room. asserted
I → try → room
And the book starts about three days into the Biden administration, President Biden asked me to go see the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia about some significant changes we were going to make in Saudi policy, including cutting off various weapons systems and a number of steps. asserted
we → start → steps
And the Crown Prince in that meeting kind of put on the table the possibility of recognizing Israel, a kind of big, you know, breakthrough possible deal. asserted
you → put → deal
And we didn't really pick that up until about a year and a half into the administration, and I describe, I think, that was lost time and unfortunate. asserted
that → pick → administration
But once we did pick it up, we made some real progress on it, and we had a package of agreements, including the Palestinian Authority was working with us on this deal. asserted
Authority → pick → deal
And on October 6, you're right, I had a Saudi delegation in my office with Princess Reema. asserted
I → have → Reema
Tony Blinken was about to go to the Middle East. asserted
Blinken → go → East
And we had mapped out- I still can't say if not for what happened a few hours later, we definitely would have gotten the deal. asserted
we → map → deal
But it was definitely- it was moving in that direction, and we were quite confident. asserted
we → move → direction
And Reema and I shook hands on by the end of the year, really, to have this in place, and then talk about the- the rollout of it in the first quarter of 2024. asserted
Reema → shake → 2024
What happened just a few hours later obviously knocked that issue off- off the agenda and everything else. asserted
happened → happen → agenda
I think it's- it's tragic because I think that deal, when you step back, if you look at what was happening just a few weeks before the events of October 7th, we're now the third anniversary, you had things happening that had not happened in 55 years. asserted
that → think → years
You had a senior Saudi official visiting Ramallah in the West Bank to see the Palestinian Authority, first time since 1967. asserted
official → have → 1967
You had Israeli officials in Israel- or Israeli officials in Saudi Arabia, and- and I think a package that would have set the foundation for what is now in a UN Security Council resolution, Margaret, a credible pathway to Palestinian state determination and statehood. asserted
what → have → determination
That's what we were talking about. asserted
we → talk → what
Hamas, of course, does not recognize Israel, wants to destroy Israel, and I would not be surprised if one of the motivations on October 7th was to knock this agenda off the table. asserted
one → recognize → table
Do you believe that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar knew that there were these plans for a Palestinian pathway and normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and that factored into his thinking? asserted
that → believe → thinking
We never saw anything to tie a direct connection. asserted
We → see → connection
I never saw anything to tie a direct connection, but certainly it was known that this deal was moving in that direction. asserted
deal → see → direction
Mohammed bin Salman said it in September. asserted
Salman → say → September
It's like a- one of the biggest deals that- could be one of the biggest deals since the Cold War-- MARGARET BRENNAN: --Transform the Middle East if it had happened. BRETT MCGURK: uncertain
it → happen → East
But I think October 7th had been planned, from what we later learned, for a period of years, and this was not something that just suddenly put together. asserted
that → think → years
But I learned about the attack that night around midnight from Mike Herzog, the Israeli ambassador. asserted
I → learn → Herzog
I got a call from the Situation Room, also. asserted
I → get → Room
It was rocket attacks and then cross-border attacks, and, you know, events kind of unfold- I describe it in the book of, as a crisis unfolds, you- you learn and you- you see jagged pieces. asserted
you → know → pieces
And it still wasn't clear even by daybreak, when I was at the White House, and eventually saw President Biden later that morning, just the scope of the scale of- of what was underway. asserted
what → see → scale
Well, you wrote that the U.S. "had no clear warnings; nor did the Israelis, from what they told us." asserted
they → write → us
But you leave open the idea that there were missed signals. asserted
you → leave → idea
I think, Margaret- asserted
I → think → ?
So we have really looked, we did not have any- anything in our system that would have been a warning and indicator. asserted
that → look → system
I can't speak to whether the Israelis- the Israelis still have to this day not had a commission of inquiry. asserted
Israelis → speak → inquiry
We had a 9/11 commission that I think made a number of reforms that have helped keep our country safe since 9/11. asserted
that → have → 9/11
The Israelis still have not done that. asserted
Israelis → do → that
I think they have to, they should do that. asserted
they → think → that
But from what I, in dealing with all these guys in Israel, security echelon, political echelon, I think they had an assumption that was deeply ingrained that Hamas was deterred, assuaged, and was not about to do something massive on any- any scale like this. asserted
Hamas → deal → this
I think that was a false assumption in their system, a failure of imagination, and it was tragic. asserted
it → think → imagination
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