Donald Trump has given a radio interview to none other than Michael Cohen, his former longtime personal fixer turned fierce critic, after an apparent reconciliation set the stage for their first public conversation in eight years.
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reconciliation → give → years
Cohen once had such a tight relationship with the US president that he described himself back in the day as his “attack dog with a law license”, but later became the star witness in Trump’s 2024 criminal trial over his hush-money payments to the adult film star Stormy Daniels.
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he → have → star
Trump was found guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records in an effort to interfere with the 2016 election.
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Trump → find → election
Their exchange, recorded on Thursday and broadcast on 77WABC, amounted to an extraordinary twist in the pair’s relationship.
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exchange → record → relationship
In an excerpt of the interview released on Thursday, Cohen referred to Trump as “boss” and the president praised his former lawyer for having “recanted everything you said”.
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you → release → everything
Cohen reminded Trump of his combative cable news appearances in defense of his candidacy in 2016.
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Cohen → remind → 2016
Trump responded: “You were a good advocate and then they weaponized you like nobody’s ever been weaponized, like few have been.”
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few → respond → you
“Well, maybe just you and I, sir,” Cohen interjected.
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Cohen → interject → ?
“Yeah, me too,” Trump said.
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Trump → say → ?
“But they weaponized you.
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they → weaponize → you
They weaponized a lot of people.
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They → weaponize → people
And I respect the fact that you recanted everything you said, and that’s a big, that’s a big thing that you did, that’s a very big thing.”
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that → respect → that
Trump went on to claim that Cohen had been unfairly threatened with jail by the Manhattan and New York state prosecutors who used his testimony to convict Trump of campaign finance violations and fraud.
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who → go → violations
The full interview will air on Sunday.
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interview → air → Sunday
In 2018, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison on charges related to hush-money payments on Trump’s behalf to help conceal the affair with Daniels, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion and bank fraud, as well as lying to Congress.
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Cohen → sentence → Congress
He spent more than a year behind bars and the rest of his sentence in home confinement.
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He → spend → confinement
He was also disbarred in New York.
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He → disbar → York
He later started a podcast and wrote books devoted to fierce criticism of Trump.
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He → start → Trump
In an interview with CNN on Thursday, Cohen said he had applied for a pardon from Trump after an initial request for clemency was denied by Joe Biden.
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request → say → Biden
Cohen’s tune changed shortly after Trump returned to office, stating publicly in January last year that he had felt “pressured and coerced” by federal prosecutors during the hush-money trial.
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he → change → trial
Here is Cohen, in his own words, on Trump through the years:
I ‘would take a bullet’ for Trump
“I’m the guy who stops the leaks.
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who → take → leaks
I’m the guy who protects the president and the family.
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who → ’m → president
I’m the guy who would take a bullet for the president,” Cohen told Vanity Fair in September 2017, recounting a time when former Trump White House official Steve Bannon had accused him of leaking to a reporter during the campaign.
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Bannon → ’m → campaign
A year later, Cohen described his loyalty to Trump as misplaced, saying in a statement at his December 2018 sentencing: “My weakness can be characterized as a blind loyalty to Donald Trump, a blind loyalty that led me to choose a path of darkness.”
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that → describe → darkness
He went on: “I have been living in a personal and mental incarceration ever since the day that I accepted the offer to work for a real estate mogul whose business acumen I deeply admired.
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I → go → acumen
I know now, in fact, there is little to be admired.”
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I → know → fact
Cohen added: “I take full responsibility for each act that I pled guilty to, the personal ones to me and those involving the president of the United States of America …
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I → add → America
It was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds.”
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It → cover → deeds
Then, in an explosive testimony before the US House oversight committee in February 2019, Cohen began his opening statement: “The last time I appeared before Congress, I came to protect Mr Trump.
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I → begin → Trump
Today, I am here to tell the truth about Mr Trump.”
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I → tell → Trump
He went on: “I am ashamed that I chose to take part in concealing Mr Trump’s illicit acts rather than listening to my own conscience.
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I → go → conscience
I am ashamed because I know what Mr Trump is.
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Trump → know → ?
Cohen also suggested that the US could face an existential peril as a constitutional democracy, predicting: “Given my experience working for Mr Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”
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he → suggest → power
In his closing remarks, he added: “My loyalty to Mr Trump cost me everything … and I will not sit back, say nothing and allow him to do the same to the country.”
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him → close → country
In his 2020 tell-all about Trump and the 2016 election, Disloyal, Cohen said: “I knew him better than even his family did because I bore witness to the real man … a cheat, a liar, a fraud, a bully, a racist, a predator, a conman.”
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I → tell → man
‘I want this man to go down’
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man → want → ?
In October 2022, Cohen described watching footage of the 6 January 2021 Capitol attack as “a heartbreak”.
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Cohen → describe → heartbreak
He went on to warn that Trump “does not want to be president of the United States – he wants to be an autocrat, supreme leader, dictator”.
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he → go → States
In an episode of Cohen’s podcast in 2023, he thanked the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, for bringing charges against Trump.
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he → thank → Trump
“I truly fucking hope that this man ends up in prison,” Cohen said.
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Cohen → hope → prison
…and 25 more, not listed.
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